I know nothing about jiu jitsu

[norrisbuffalo]

But I know what "pass the guard means". It's the instinctual desire to escape from a situation that ends with the instinctual desire to submit. For us humans it ends with the obvious possibility that we can be dominant instead of dominated. Many simpler animals do not have this instinct. For those creatures we have the term "capture myopathy". I have seen capture myopathy first hand many times. A pinned animal will quit struggling and acquiesce to the fact that it is about to become part of what the Disney corporation in the 1990's termed "the circle of life". People, however, are far less reticent when they are clearly controlled (and notably bery reticent when the control is more subdued). We tend to deny our fate and rage against the dying of the light. So, based on watching some youtube videos and listening to some jiu jitsu practitioners talk I feel safe in saying that sooner or later we all find the need to pass the guard but most of us do not know how unless we have practiced. Am I way off?

[mynewunit]

Sounds like some malarkey a snake handler say at a tent revival.
Guard is a defensive hold. Face to face, on your back, with your legs around the other players waist. In jiu-jitsu it is a great way to control space and reduce means of attack. In MMA, it is a good way to get punched in the face.

[norrisbuffalo]

You just described my last date....many, many years ago
..and you proved that my topic is accurate

[jason]

Passing the guard is attacking. Its offensive. Escaping and submitting (I"m unclear on your use: are you suggesting the instinctual desire to submit TO another or to submit another?) are defensive, reactive.

mynewunit - Stages 1-4! Keep from getting hit.

[norrisbuffalo]

Everyone seems to know more about jiu jitsu than the guy who claims to know nothing about it. The word "instinctual" comes to mind.
I was raised on a farm and know only being hit by things that wanted to live which I eventually ate. By contrast, I don't speak to the girls at the grocery store who check me out. What am I missing?

[mynewunit]

You are missing that you made a Jiu Jitsu post about critters. Passing the guard is trying to break the tie. This is cold war. "capture myopathy" is a submission. You Tap or go to sleep. When Echo got Submitted by Go-Go (which is apparently a choke submission with your leg and arm) that was capture myopathy. When Jocko gets you in his guard and you can do a ton of stuff but you expend a lot of energy and neither of you have made any advances.
"We tend to deny our fate and rage against the dying of the light." - Who says this. It seems like a lyric from Disconnect by Rollins Band.

"It's the instinctual desire to escape from a situation that ends with the instinctual desire to submit." Is the instinct to submit? or is the instinct the desire to escape submission? Humans, well Americans, have an underdog mentality to never say die. I understand the animals are more instinctual and accepting of their fate. I would agree with this, but I wouldn't call it "passing the guard."

Deep thoughts. Raising your own food means something alive has a purpose other than not dying. This over complicates the relationship for "people". Lacking a relationship with life, we (or People) arbitrarily assign value to things using our feelings. Being attached to ourselves we don't have an understanding of where food comes from, where we finish life, and we fill in the voids with feelings. By detaching from ourselves we can can see what is around us, and their own "worlds". Understand the chicken: want to eat, lay eggs, stay away from the dogs, until it is fried chicken night. but we also must understand the "world" of the cashier: I need this job, till I have a better one, My boss cares about this, I am concerned with something at home.

This a lot of stuff buried in this that might belong on a different thread.

[norrisbuffalo]

I still know nothing about jiu jitsu but I see now that "passing the guard" means the animal on top wants a better position and the animal on the bottom wants to have more control. I fail to see how that is "breaking the tie". I've been held down and beaten before, no one gave me the option to tap out and start again tomorrow. In nature, capture myopathy occurs when the animal on bottom instinctively believes it cannot have more control and expends it's energy to shut down it's systems so it does not suffer. It happens instinctually live diving syndrome in people trapped under ice. The impressive thing is that we can consciously overcome it with training.

Side note: my "dying of the light" comment was me playing with a Dylan Thomas quote about human suffering. Henry Rollins said "What book are you reading?" she said "Harry Potter." Henry Rollins stopped the car and said "Get the f&^k out."

yeah, the rest should be discussed elsewhere.

[basikx]

norrisbuffalo, I think watching the following videos might help you understand more of BJJ:

Ryan Hall Passing the Guard - www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3jzIOw1ehI
Ryan Hall Defensive Guard - www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo1NUdmaT54

There's more you can watch if you search youtube for "ryan hall fundamentals".

[TW512]

Ultimately, if you want to learn more about the terms, positions, techniques, etc...find a local gym and go roll some BJJ. You'll pick things up quickly.

Guard - like someone posted above is a way to stay in control of your opponent when they are on top of you. You do this by wrapping your legs around their waist and locking them. It's a lot harder to get punched in the face when the opponent is in your guard vs. full mount.

Passing the Guard - again, like someone above posted, is when you are on the offensive/on top of your opponent, but in their guard. Passing the guard is basically trying to get out from their leg wrap and getting yourself back in control. Control being, full mount or side control

Again...just go roll. BJJ is flipping awesome and there are many gyms out there if you seek them out.

[norrisbuffalo]

Sorry, I took so long to respond to this thread but I have been very distracted by other frustrating things.

I won't be pursuing BJJ because:
#1 I live 30+ miles from the nearest town with a BJJ gym and I rarely drive the 15 miles to the grocery store.
#2 I don't touch anyone if I can help it (example: I've had no dates for ~5 years)

I am often reminded that the overwhelming majority of humans I interact with on the internet cannot relate to my lifestyle.
I apologize for being awkward but I truly did think this would be a neat comparison to the instinctual animal reactions I observe regularly.
Sorry for messing up your forum.